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Poll: Okay, so, like, for you geeks... mac, or PC?

PC, of course! I build 'em, fix 'em, and am an all around dork! 29 (45%)
Mac! Because I'm elitist and have a job that pays me enough to 12 (18%)
I don't give a rats' patootie! as long as it browses the web! 19 (29%)
What's a geek? 5 (8%)
   Discussion: Okay, so, like, for you geeks... mac, or PC?
Mollie · 18 years, 6 months ago
Can I say: "Mac, not that I can afford it, but because it's what my boyfriend made for me?"
Melinda J. Beasi · 18 years, 6 months ago
Hmmm... well, I chose Mac, because that is my first love, and also what I am paid to do, since I work for an Apple Specialist, but I have to admit I was looking for another choice. My husband and I have created quite a successful cross-platform household, running at least three operating systems, and using a variety of hardware (for instance, an older Mac running Linux). We both come down on the side of just plain liking technology, no matter who makes it. The choice of "I don't care as long as it browses the web" doesn't seem quite right because it isn't nearly geeky enough. So here I am, once again proclaiming myself a Mac user... but that isn't the whole story by any means.

Paul D. Beasi Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
I have to agree with the lack of choices. I'm primarily a PC user, but I do use a Mac running OS X and a 4400 running linux on a regular basis as well now and I like them all!
ellen, formerly evil Back · 18 years, 6 months ago

In the 6 years that I have been a mac user, I have never had a serious problem. with the hardware or software. I even pressed what was then a 4 year old computer into doing ALL of the processing for my portfolio.||/P||

Sure, I had problems finding software and peripherals. Sure RAM for my PowerMac 7600 was extra spendy, but darnit, I liked it anyways! When the time came for a new computer, I did not hesitate in getting another Macintosh. Now I enjoy a computer that does not get attacked by stupid internet viruses, or harrased by spyware. I enjoy all the benefits of cheap RAM and hardware, software that is easily translated into OSX. I find that the mac OS more suited to my visual interative style, from version 7.6, up to the present.

And oh yeah. I don't really have a choice, because I need it for the type of work I do. :)

ellen, formerly evil Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
Sorry for the poor HTML. I hit the wrong button. Anyways, it formerly mentioned that I was a PC user growing up, and that I kicked and screamed when I learned I'd have to switch to Mac because I was going to design school. And look at me now. :)
nate... Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
Yeah... well, I should have had an "either one" option of some kind. :)
Jºnªthªn · 18 years, 6 months ago
I've used all kinds of systems - I ran a homebuilt PC using CPM in the 80's. I've programmed an Altair with toggle switches. I used a Sun workstation in grad school. I demo'd OS/2 and Nextstep. I have a next keyboard in my garage. And I've built my own macs out of surplus parts too thank you very much. Every version of Windows OS I've ever used made my want to kill someone (Gates, Balmer, my boss, whoever) and throw the PC in their grave. I don't like Steve Jobs, but I don't shout "F***ing Steve Jobs!" everytime I use my Mac. No floppies. I've never installed software on a mac that I couldn't unistall, unlike windows.

And for Unix geeks - screw Linux - try OSX.
Melinda J. Beasi Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
OSX does rock the house.
lawrence · 18 years, 6 months ago
I've never had a problem with it, really. I'm convinced that most Mac haters have never used it. and OS 9 and earlier did have some rather serious issues.

that said, Linux on a PC is pretty nice, too. but for music and pictures, it's Mac all the way.
emilie is CRANKY · 18 years, 6 months ago
so what *is* a rat's patootie, then? ;)
Josh Woodward · 18 years, 6 months ago
I see that all the Mac fans are night owls. Time for the PC users to wake up and put in their $0.02 (or $1.84 in Mac currency). *grins* I personally prefer PCs by a longshot. Why? Let me count the ways.
  • Price. Like, duh. PCs are a fraction of the price. One day Lawrence and I were doing a price comparison of building a high-endish PC versus buying a high-endish mac. It's $400 for a 1.7ghz computer (512 RAM/80GB HD), the same specs with a Mac and a 1.0ghz processor was $2470. Yowza. Mac processors may be more bang for the mhz, but if they aren't more bang for the buck then who cares?
  • Expandability. What do I do when I need to upgrade or replace failed parts? I drive to town and buy stock parts off the shelf for wicked cheap. There is a much bigger selection and variety of parts available for PCs.
  • Real Mice. What in the world were they smoking when they came up with the hockey pick mouse? It must have been the same stuff they were smoking when they decided to use a one-button mouse. Granted, it was a long time ago, but times change. Does Apple? Yes, I know two button mice are available, but they're not well-supported.
  • OSes. There's more of a selection available for PCs. You have Windows (ugh), Linux, and many others. MacOS is liked by a niche market, but I find it inflexible and hard to use. Yes, I've used Macs for almost 20 years now, and no I haven't tried OSX. I'll admit it seems like a turn in the right direction, at least it has a CLI. And hell, MacOS crashes more than Windows. That's a feat.
  • Software. Imagine my fun this week when I tried to run Gnutella on OS9. To start with, there are only a handful of clients for Macs. The lions share (2) of them run on Java 2, and guess what, it's not supported. The other one sucked so bad it wasn't even useful. Granted, Linux has a limited number of apps (still more than Mac), but at least I can run Windows programs on Linux (or dual boot).
  • Stupid Stuff. I hate Mac's process memory partitioning. "Sorry, can't open another IE window, please allocate more memory to this program and restart." No, you allocate more for it on the fly like any sane OS, you dumb computer! I hate Mac's file naming system. The max filename length is wicked short. And what's the full path to a file? Who knows. They're also in a way a monopoly. Once you buy a Mac with their hardware and OS, you're stuck. You're going to be running MacOS. Yeah, there are some marginal Linuces available, but they suck. And heaven help you if you want to run MacOS on PC hardware. Why don't they allow this? Because they're raking in the bucks by charging $2470 for a $400 PC. Haha.
</rant> :-)
nate... Back · 18 years, 6 months ago

I totally agree on all counts. The price/performance ratio alone makes me realize that I could never EVER justify buying a Mac. It's like the US/Canada exchange rate! :)

Also, there is so much more flexibility! You can grab any software, any parts... off the shelf... at a show..... just collect the change in your car to pay for it, and you're all set. And while I'm on flexibility.... the interface is so inflexible! With a PC, you can use keyboard shortcuts to do things... right click... use the scroll wheel on the mouse, program your keyboard differently (if you have a programmable one)..... the MacOS is so rigid in it's use... up until OSX, it didn't even have a CLI!

As for people who say macs are more stable? I've never seen it. I have been running win xp for around 9 months now... and I've YET to see it crash.... I've had macs crash on me more often than 98SE used to! (To be fair, though, I have not tried OSX.)

Oh, and Josh: ".... in a way a monopoly." ? I don't know that it's even in question that they are. :)

My additional $.02.
lawrence Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
> I hate Mac's process memory partitioning.

gone in OS X. now it allocates on the fly like a good OS should.

> I hate Mac's file naming system. The max filename length is wicked short.

also gone in OS X, I believe.

> It must have been the same stuff they were smoking when they decided to use a
> one-button mouse.

honestly, when I use a PC, I rarely use the right button anyway. I've never found it all that useful.

> Expandability. What do I do when I need to upgrade or replace failed parts?

the flip side of this is it also means if something breaks within your PC and you don't know what, you have no idea who to call. if something breaks in your Mac, you call Apple.

> but if they aren't more bang for the buck then who cares?

but they are more bang for the buck. the stability is a nice feature, although Windows XP is pretty damn stable itself. that is, if you want to pay $200 for Windows. OS X isn't a whole lot cheaper, but it certainly offers many more included features.

Andrea Krause · 18 years, 6 months ago
I've always always been a PC person because that's what I know and grew up with. That said, I now have a Mac addict living with me so the Macs in the apartment outnumber the PCs! Eeek! (Heh, by like 6 to 1 or more, even) I don't really have STRONG opinions...I prefer my PC because it's what I know. I sometimes have trouble with Macs just because I'm unfamiliar with some of the ways they do things. If Paul sees this you'll probably get a pro-Mac message as detailed as Josh's pro-PC one. :)

So I picked the "I don't care" option...*shrug*

Rachel Beck Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
I picked the PC b/c, although I don't build 'em, my brother does. Hence it's always been very easy for me to get cheap replacement parts, tech support at odd hours, and other such things. I suppose if he played around with Macs, I'd probably use those.
ShrinkMan · 18 years, 6 months ago
Look out... I am armed... More to come....
Misch · 18 years, 6 months ago
What happened to Linux? The flightless water foul demand recognition!
nate... Back · 18 years, 6 months ago
This isn't about OS, man.... it's about hardware. :)

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