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Poll: Have you ever taken part in a 12 step program?

Yes and it helped 1 (1%)
Yes but it didn't help 3 (4%)
Yes and I hope it will work 0 (0%)
No but I've considered it 3 (4%)
No and I won't try it 8 (10%)
No I don't need one. 62 (81%)
   Discussion: Have you ever taken part in a 12 step program?
Kris 'engaged' Bedient · 16 years, 2 months ago
aren't 12-step programs for addictions?
Annika · 16 years, 2 months ago
Back when I was in NA I did.. or started rather, a 12 step program, but hit about step 8 and fell back down the stairs.
Wintress · 16 years, 2 months ago
They say you don't have to believe in God, but that you DO need to "give it to a higher power" or something like that.

Which made me wonder....if I don't believe in a higher power, what are my options?
Gordondon son of Ethelred Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
I am forgetting the name but there is an atheist's version of AA, Rational somethingorother.
Gordondon son of Ethelred Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
Now it came to me. Rational Recovery. I remembered it was alliterative, and that gave it to me.
Michael (foof) Maki Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
Whoa. That site makes the hair stand up on back of my neck. Do you know anything about it?

Seems like there's a hell of a lot more to "Rational Recovery" than just not needing a higher power.
Gordondon son of Ethelred Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
Actually I don't know much. I had a friend with an addiction problem who had been helped in the past by CA and relapsed. She used her atheism as an excuse to not go back and someone suggested RR which she had tried in the past. I didn't check out their website, I just found the url on google.

What made your hair stand up?
Michael (foof) Maki Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
> What made your hair stand up?

The first thing that comes to mind is that in their FAQ, they refer to "shrinks." Also, the fact that they have their method's abbreviation (AVTR®) strikes me as somehow off. I know those are silly objections, but they sound alarms in my brain.

Also, they're just really dismissive of addiction, and methodologies that are currently used to treat addiction. I dunno. Maybe AVRT® holds the key to quick, pain-free recovery from addiction, but I've never seen any indication that it does. And if it really *was* as quick and easy as the website indicates, why would *anyone* go to *A meetings anymore?

It all just reeks of people who wear tinfoil hats, and think there's some vast conspiracy by the American Medical Association to keep Chiropractors down.
Michael (foof) Maki Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
There are lots and lots of athiests who successfully use the 12-step model. The ones who've explained it to me have explained that they use something else as their higher power.

The ones that've really made sense to me have cited the group as their higher power.
Andrea Krause · 16 years, 2 months ago
"Yes, but it wasn't for me."
Andrea Krause Back · 16 years, 2 months ago

And I mean in the "I participated but it wasn't my addiction" way not in the "it wasn't my bag" way.

J. Andrew World · 16 years, 2 months ago
On 2-17-01 I never saw another Fruvous show. I still have flash backs.
sheryls Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
hey! that's the same day i went cold turkey!
Andrea Krause Back · 16 years, 2 months ago

I ate cold turkey this weekend...

sheryls Back · 16 years, 2 months ago
i ate warm turkey today. but it was reheated. i cooked it last night. in my GEORGE FORMAN LEAN MEAN CONTACT ROASTER! <3.
Doktor Pepski, kommie · 16 years, 2 months ago
You know....there's a lot of that going cold turkey from Fruvous shows going around. My last show was in July 2000, so yeah let's see if i can go another year *thumbs up*

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