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Poll: Are you a veggie?

Yes! 10 (10%)
No. Pass the beef, please. 54 (56%)
Erm... sort of. I'm a bad veggie... 17 (18%)
Other 15 (16%)
   Discussion: Are you a veggie?
A girl named Becca · 18 years ago
What about people who aren't vegetarian at all but don't really like beef that much?
:)
Agent Scully · 18 years ago
if you use products that use animal by-products from rendering plants (make up manufacturers are a big customer)?

Do most items say "not tested on animals nor uses animal by-products?"

I just saw a documentary on this on the independent film channel. :o
Josh Woodward Back · 18 years ago
I think one is still a veggie. What you're describing is more of a vegan objection. Veganism moves beyond the diet and into swearing off all animal products like leather and all products containing animals.
danced with Lazlo · 18 years ago
I keep kosher.

Figure it out. I'm sick of explaining myself.
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
Move over, Gella. You've got company.
Bareena Back · 18 years ago
I don't keep kosher, but I know all about doin' the halachic boogie. Not all of us are clueless about this stuff.
danced with Lazlo Back · 18 years ago
hehe... you said halachic boogie...
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
Shabbat Shaboogie!
Karen is tired Back · 18 years ago
Shabbat Shaboogie!... lol that is my favorite one so far... kinda miss the whole Shabbat dinner with the grandparents..

~Karen
Annika · 18 years ago
I don't eat meat, I don't eat chicken abortions/ovulations, whatever you like to call them, I don't drink milk, although I do eat cheese, and I don't buy anything with animal bi-products. I don't wear leather, suede, or fur. I'm a member of PETA... ummm.. I miss chicken wings... a lot... I have the meat your meat video if anyone wants a copy frum me! No it's not a porn.
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
It's great that you've committed yourself to vegetarianism. This is just a "Melissa's Pet Peeve" rant:

I don't eat chicken abortions/ovulations, whatever you like to call them

Comercially available chicken eggs are not fertilized. The yolk is not a chicken embryo. It is what would nourish the embryo were the egg to be fertilized.

An egg is more analagous to milk than to a placenta, since it is a form of parental nourishment given outside the body.

The egg is also not like a mammalian ovum, in that it's not a germ cell. It's the environment in which a fertilized ovum might mature. I'm pretty sure that if there's no fertilization, there is no actual germ cell anywhere in the chicken egg.

If you see blood spots in an egg, that's from the hen, before the egg shell formed.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Well, really, I like to call them "eggs".
:)

But were I attempting to get a rise out of people, I would call them "chicken abortions/ovulations".

Annika Back · 18 years ago
It's all about the rise baby!
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Something's rising?
Annika Back · 18 years ago
Yes! My pay! Wooohoo! Well.. on my next check.. which is a friggin month away! But still, Woohoo!!
nate... Back · 18 years ago
LOL
Kevin - King of WiFi Back · 18 years ago
PETA *scoff* did you know, that they protested The Center for Alternatives to Animal Testing? They really are bass ackwards over there...
nate... Back · 18 years ago
PETA is *EVIL*.
sheryls Back · 18 years ago
i dunno, i love some tuna on PETA with cottage cheese..or maybe turkey with cheddar and avocado...

oh, sorry, that's *pita* :D my bad.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
mmmmmm... pita.....
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
mmmm pita....

I love them. :)
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
But....doood.....pita is NOT an ingredient in macaroni and cheese! :)
nate... Back · 18 years ago
*puzzled look*
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
Ooh...thanks! Now I know what to have for lunch!
:)
Mmm....Wegman's white cheddar mac & cheese.....
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
But we could put it in there! :D
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Well, THAT would be..... interesting.........
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
And I just realized I botched the joke because I was THINKING grilled cheese but my fingers typed macaroni and cheese. :)
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Okay... sooo... how does "grilled cheese" make any more sense than "macaroni and cheese"??

:D
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
It does to Chrissy! And don't EVEN get on my case for in-jokes. :)
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
"All these years of eating grilled cheese and it finally means something dammit!" </me at Noho '98>

:D
Annika Back · 18 years ago
Nate PETA is not evil. Are you calling me fat?
nate... Back · 18 years ago
HAHAHAHAH
Is that somehow related?

And yes, PETA is evil... they're just as bad as anti-abortion zealots... and those religious freak door to door people...
Annika Back · 18 years ago
:^O You're comparing PETA to Mormons?! I'm offended! I'm cool with the abortion thing, but that's probably because I didn't pay attention in health when they were talking about it, and I'm cool with religious freaks, I like to get into conversations with them, and see if I can figure out the whole point of them coming to visit me, and it's fun when they can actually answer all my questions.
renita Back · 18 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!



Don't kill the animals or the animal babies or the stuff that comes from animals... because that's mean...



but humans... those are up for grabs :)
Annika Back · 18 years ago
I know it sounds mean, but I tend to like animals more than humans. Soooo.. yes. That's how I feel. Although there are some humans I like quite a bit.
*joolee* · 18 years ago
I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

j/k, I am a terrible veggie who broke it this year after a 2 year lettuce-cheese-bread diet.

someday i'll return, oh yes.
Arbie Back · 18 years ago
Well, as a person married to a veggie-not-vegan
I eat a lot less meat than I used to. The most frustrating part for us is the by-products. For example, we found this really nice potato soup mix that we both really liked. The last time we bought it we noticed that they had reformulated and had added (among other things) chicken fat. *sigh* They couldn't leave well enough alone.
My sister got very into being a vegan, maybe a little to much. She started having health problems and so did her sons. You have to be very careful and very knowledgeable to pull off strict veganism without risk.
As for leather, if they are going to kill animals for meat I would rather they use everything, although I would much rather leather came from cows etc. that died of natural causes.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
As for leather, if they are going to kill animals for meat I would rather they use everything

I totally agree.
And, really, there's nothing like leather for a car interior.

mmm.
:)
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
I like to quote something from Greg Proops :) (if you don't know who he is, firgure it out, I'm tired of explaining myself to quote someone else)

"I love animals. I couldn't eat a whole one but I'll split one with you if you want."

:)

As for another quote from da man:

"I feel no duty to be politically correct or support your belief system. In other words, I smoke and eat animals. I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here to be funny. There's a big difference. I don't ask that you agree with everything I think, just that you chuckle occasionally. In other words, you're entitled to my opinion."
renita Back · 18 years ago
mmmm the proopdog.
BassAce Back · 18 years ago
Sounds suspiciously like Dennis Leary to me....

~oOI'm an a$$holeOo~
~oOSometimes I park in handicapped spaces, while handicapped people make handicapped facesOo~
~oOI'm an a$$holeOo~

Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
Apparently you've never seen the Proopdog do standup.

/me bought two of his standup tapes from the UK and someone taped the NYC shows from November. :)
Erica: movin' to Ohio!! · 18 years ago
i just don't care if a shrimp dies. i just don't. lobster, crabs, they all matter. but not shrimp. strange. it's the only flesh that passes through my lips. unless you count the thousands of helpless vegetables i've slaughtered and devoured.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
see, flesh passing through lips just brings up the previous poll again! :D
Erica: movin' to Ohio!! Back · 18 years ago
dammit nate, you crazy bastard. why do you keep haunting me with my sexual past?
Sarah · 18 years ago
I don't like anything that's gone through a slaughterhouse. Therefore, I avoid beef unless it came from a farmer instead of a slaughterhouse. I'm not as picky about the type of meat it is as how it was killed. I also refuse to eat veal because it's a baby cow and could have grown to provide milk (if female) and more beef than when it's killed young and considered a "delicacy". I do love dairy products though but unfortunately I'm lactose intollerant.
Melinda J. Beasi · 18 years ago
was a veggie for 11 years, and now am not. life is a strange strange thing.
sheryls · 18 years ago
mmmmmmmmm. meat! i love meat. i love chicken, lamb, beef, shrimp, lobster, venison, you name it. i even ate moose once.



my thoughts are, and i'm not trying to start an argument, but, the meat's on the shelf. if i dont buy it, someone else will. it's already dead and all the protesting in the world is not going to make people stop slaughtering animals for food. i think most humans will always be omnivorous, it's why we have pointly little teeth in the front. :)



ok, maybe ALL the protestingin the world - if everyone stopped eating meat i suppose there would be a change. but i think the omnivores outweigh the herbivores, and something inside me makes me doubt those tables will ever change.



that being said i also love vegetables - my favorite meal is any grilled meat with a great big ceaser salad. yum, yum yum. and green beans. and peas. and tons of others. :D

i suppose a more accurate statement would be that i love FOOD. :D yay food!
Josh Woodward Back · 18 years ago
> but, the meat's on the shelf. if i dont buy it,
> someone else will.

With the qualification that I'm only a veggie wannabe (I don't buy meat, but I visit my parents every week for dinner and that's all they know how to make :), this is a pretty lame argument. Just because there's a "buffer" on the supermarket shelves, when you take one out of the buffer, a replacement has to come from somewhere. If you didn't buy it, someone else would have bought it, but later on, which would have delayed the need to replentish the supply.

For some "food for thought".. :) here are some conservative estimates of how many full animals the average American eats in 60 years: more than 22 mammals, more than 608 birds, and about 900 lbs of fish and shellfish.

Yum!
nate... Back · 18 years ago
For some "food for thought".. :) here are some conservative estimates of how many full animals the average American eats in 60 years: more than 22 mammals, more than 608 birds, and about 900 lbs of fish and shellfish.

NICE!
I'm gonna make it my goal to double that mammal estimate..... since I'm going to be lacking in fish consumption.
:D

sheryls Back · 18 years ago
of course it's a lame argument, it came from me! everyone knows that all my arguments are lame - i have no debate skills whatsoever. i'm surprised i even posted something :D
sheryls Back · 18 years ago
not to mention, they would just throw it away if that delay lasted too long.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Am I the only one who keeps reading that as "....maybe ALL the progestin in the world..."

hehehe
nate... Back · 18 years ago
For the record.... I don't want people telling me what I god I should believe in, I don't want people telling me what political stance I should take, and I don't want people fucking telling me what I should and shouldn't eat.

That, as they say, is that.

*ahem*
*joolee* Back · 18 years ago
you should believe in me, be a whig (it's a funny name, heeyuck) and be a meatatarian.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
I'm all for it!
:D
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
Wait.....I thought you didn't want people telling you what to believe/think/eat...?
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Yes, that was it... what becca said.
:D
A.J. Back · 18 years ago
Ah, but you PAY for that don't you? If only you didn't like food life would be so much less messy, wouldn't it? ;)
Lisa Kay Back · 18 years ago
it's simple economics. supply and demand. If you stopped buying it (and everyone else who felt that way also stopped) the demand would drop and soon the supply would drop accordingly (or the advertisement would pick-up to increase demand)
Andrea Krause · 18 years ago
So Josh, was this one randomly in the queue or did you pick it out after our drooly steak conversation yesterday on the wall? :)
J · 18 years ago
Thats right. I know by stating this I have places a huge target on my back.
but keep in mind one thing worse than a bitchy vegan is a bitchy meat eater.
It's my choice what I do and I don't try to make others feel bad about what they do so please keep your negative remarks to yourself.
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
Wow. Seriously...why do you so think you'll be abused for that? We're hippies and geeks here. :)
Michael (foof) Maki Back · 18 years ago
This place is lousy with people who fancy themselves martyrs. Queue forms to the left.
J Back · 18 years ago
Im just used to the fact that any time I mention that Im a vegan. I have to hear about how stupid I am because I don't share the same diet as someone else....It's all so trivial.
People seem to have this need to tell me that I am lacking essential vitamins...not knowing anything about what I actually eat, or what suppliments I take.
anyway...
A.J. Back · 18 years ago
I hear you Julie. This is kind of what Gella is talking about. Nobody is going to tell you you CAN'T be a vegan, but they sure as hell are going to think you are a freak. Gella's point is that we all sould make room for people who aren't like us without judging them just because they are different.
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
I don't think it's at all sure that people will think she's a freak for being vegan.
:P
Starfox Back · 18 years ago
Everyone is judgemental; it's impossible not to be. Some people are just judgemental about things that have nothing to do with them. Someone sexual or dietary choices don't affect me directly, so, while I may disagree with someone's choice and/or think it's wrong, I'm not going to ostracize the person for it.

Sorta like pop vs. soda.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
SORTA like it... except for one subtle difference.

Those who say soda are correct.. and those who say pop are incorrect.

;)
danced with Lazlo Back · 18 years ago
If your going to insult someone, at least have the courtesy to do it directly.

Goodbye. I don't know when I'll be back... but I won't stick around and be made a martyr of.
Starfox Back · 18 years ago
I don't think Michael was trying to insult anyone. Perhaps he should add "j/k" and smiley faces for the humor impaired (that too, is a joke, not an insult).

Seriously though, what is with some people's need to be accepted by others? You are free to do whatever you like (so long as you don't initiate force against another), to have your own sexual preferences, and dietary choices. Other people are free to have their own choices and preferences. What does it matter if someone accepts you or not? Those that do will be your friends, those that don't won't.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Exactly.
And... as far as communities go, this is definitely one of the most accepting I've been a member of anyway.

But either way.... I do what I like and what I believe in. If people don't like it, oh well. They're free to debate with me... and I've been known to even change my mind if they have a convincing argument.
:)

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." - Unknown. (yes, I know it's usually attributed to Voltaire, but that's still under debate.)
A.J. Back · 18 years ago
Agreed, Nate. But that doesn't mean we can't improve. Frankly I see a lot of people who have trouble accepting someone like Gella. Gella IS a little different, there is no doubt about that, but that difference is often a nice asset in my experience. I think this notion that she is just trying to get attention is very wrongheaded. If you know Gella at all you know that she is very passionate about many things and yet is also very selfless. To accuse her of being simply out for attention is very easy to do but it also belies a great deal of ignorance about her.
A.J. Back · 18 years ago
I took it that way too Andy, but apparently there was more too it. I know Michael and Gella discussed it and that discussion did NOT smooth it over. Michael, if you were just kidding, you should say so. If you weren't kidding then you have some 'splaining to do as far as I'm concerned, because a personal attack there was enitrely unjustified IMHO.
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
FHDC is like a drug.

You might say you won't be back, but in a few hours, you'll need more.
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
I can stop anytime I want to!
renita Back · 18 years ago
heh, that's funny gella.

because if I remember correctly, during the pop vs. soda poll you had a few things to indirectly say about a conversation that we had while you were in vancouver.

and as I remember if was a severe misrepresentation of what -I- had thought was a friendly conversation.

Thank you and goodbye. miss martyr.
J Back · 18 years ago
anyway Im thinking of having a Vegan potluck anyone up?
A.J. Back · 18 years ago
Ok Renita, if you are going to tell your former friend that you arn't friends any more in a public forum (See Gella's diary--She thought you were friends) then you might want to clue the rest of us in on just what it was that was so horrible that she did so that we can decide who to get mad at. As it is this just looks to me like very nasty and uncalled sniping.

By the way, the definition of Martyr that applies here is this one I think: 2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle. Yes in this sense you are right, Gella is a bit of a martyr. Would that the rest of us had her strength.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Ya know what? None of what you folks are saying is appropriate for a public forum.
This is a private matter for frums.

So, please, do not keep making things worse, if you can help it... and I'm sure at least some of you can.

That's all I have to say on this matter... if anyone would like to talk to me in email or frum about it, feel free.

And, obviously, just IMO.
Talcott · 18 years ago
I'm a veggie, but for the most part, I don't really think about it either. I come much more from the environmental edge of it, combined with a genral dislike for how most meat is farmed. Humans are omnivores by nature, and I don't think it's wrong to eat meat, but on the other hand, I think that the proportions of what's being eaten (on a personal and national scale) are very much askew. So I don't eat meat. By my own logic, I shouldn't be eating normal eggs and milk either (free range would be fine), but I'm also poor and live off of mac and cheese most of the time.
And yeah, I do tend to have leather shoes. I walk constantly, and am yet to find man-made shoes with good soles (or at least affordable ones), and I don't honestly believe that they are going to raise cows specificaly for leather, or at least they aren't right now for the cheap leather in a pair of department store shoes.
For the most part though, I just don't care that much about it all. I don't eat meat *shrug* Anymore, it's not hard to find something somewhere, and I tend to suprise people when they do find out I'm a veggie. Sometimes it's because I don't talk about it, or glare at people who eat meat (not that I'm saying all veggies do, but it's just like it is with fundamentalists, you remember the loud/annoying ones, and forget the normal people), although I've also been told that it's weird that I'm a veggie who also drinks beer. I still haven't figured that one out...
Annika Back · 18 years ago
I walk a lot, and I've found those rubber garden shoes, those kick ass! I have them in brown, black, green, blue, and white, I don't wear the white ones much because I realized when I got home my size 12 feet look like big marshmallows in them. As for the drinking I get comments about it as well, it's because people assume that if you are vegan, or vegetarian you tend to live an uber-healthy lifestyle. I actually quit eating meat as a way of getting people to shut up about my smoking, if someone bitched about the ciggy smell I'd say "Well you smell like meat, but I'm not complaining." Or my mom's whole "Smoking isn't healthy." I'd tell her that if she quit eating meat I'd quit smoking. Well she didn't quit eating meat but I quit smoking, so.. umm.. I'm better than my mom! lol, I'm so humble! So yeah, they think it's weird you drink because as a vegetarian they think of you as being all super healthy not doing anything unhealthful to your body sorta person.
Michael (foof) Maki Back · 18 years ago
>I actually quit eating meat as a way of getting people to shut up about my smoking,
>if someone bitched about the ciggy smell I'd say "Well you smell like meat, but I'm not complaining."

Wow. That may be the dumbest thing I've read today.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
"I'm going to sue the restaurants I eat in as a vegetarian because I got cancer from second hand meat-smell!"

:D
Annika Back · 18 years ago
lol, I didn't say it was the most brilliant thing, but it did work. Wait, no it didn't. hmm..
Talcott Back · 18 years ago
Wooo!

Maybe I can argue that this city has to overturn its smoking ban until they ban meat as well :D
(and seeing as that'll never happen, it'd help everyone, or most of my friends at least)

(granted, I mostly just second hand, but that's what I do with meat, so it all works)
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
I just don't get the whole thing about vegetarian being necessarily healthier. Too much meat is bad, yes, but too much anything is bad. (That's what makes it "too much.") A balanced diet is healthy...and that includes moderate amounts of meat.

I'm not saying being vegetarian is unhealthy, of course...I realize that there are health benefits...but many vegetarians don't get enough protein, etc...
Melinda J. Beasi Back · 18 years ago
It is actually completely possible (and not even difficult) to get a balanced diet as a vegetarian. Protein is not as hard to come by as some will tell you. The thing is, though, that being a vegetarian does not make you a healthy eater. There are plenty of unhealthy foods that do not contain animal products and if that is what your diet consists of as a vegetarian you are in the same boat as a meat-eater who eats unhealthily. As I've said, I was a vegetarian for 11 years, but I'll openly admit that not all of those were healthy years. It all comes down to eating actual food instead of junk, meat or no meat.

So I guess the short version of that is that I know first hand that you can be extremely healthy as a vegetarian (and several of my vegetarian years were the healthiest I've ever had by far), or you can not be at all healthy as one. It's all about how you do it.
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
Yes, sorry....I didn't phrase that particularly well...
My point was essentially what you said...I realize vegetarians can eat very healthily...but, there's just as much chance that they won't as there would be if they ate meat, too.
It's a girl! Back · 18 years ago
*nods emphatically* vegetarian who's too fond of dairy and wears leather shoes-- we must have been separated at birth!
Starfox · 18 years ago
I offer these two quotes:

"You see, eating meat is an instinct, not eating meat is a decision!"

"This country was founded on two things: meat and war, you eat enough meat and you want to kill someone."

Both by the esteemed Mr. Leary.
Josh Woodward · 18 years ago
How in the world is "Other" getting so many votes? I can't imagine another possibility other than vegan, which is a subset of vegetarian. Anyone?? :)
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
Well I think that some people aren't veggie but can't bring themselves to vote for "bring on the beef" if they don't like it or eat chicken and fish but no red meat, etc.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Yeah, I think that's catching those who don't like beef.
ellen, formerly evil Back · 18 years ago
Yup. I voted "other". I really don't like beef much, for one. I try to eat a low meat diet (partially just because I prefer not to cook it at home, partially for the health benefits), I eat free range eggs because of the farming issues. etc.
FrüBill Back · 18 years ago
"You see, eggplant tastes like eggpplant, but meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty Goddang good!"

Not that these are words to live by, nor words for anything .... (why did I post this again?)
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
At least 2 went to Kosher. Give us some time...we might be able to get Carey's vote too.
nitsita Back · 18 years ago
I voted other because I really don't eat that much meat. I like it, but damn, it's so much more expensive than vegetables. My roommates consider me mostly a "granola / veggie / hippy" of sorts, and I've managed to stay healthy living on almost exclusively vegetables and cereal and nuts and stuff. I eat eggs and milk and _will_ eat meat (come on, I grew up in my dad's home. Germans eat 3 meals of meat a day.. almost), but since I've moved out of daddy's, meat is a whole lot rarer in my diet than it used to be.
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
but since I've moved out of daddy's, meat is a whole lot rarer in my diet than it used to be.

it's best rare.
goovie is married! Back · 18 years ago
if i start keeping kosher, i'll be a better jew than neal. :)
dirty life & times Back · 18 years ago
i'm a kosher girl!

but i counted myself as a bad veggie because i don't eat meat that much, also i can't find much kosher in the part of seattle where i live.

i didn't eat a lot of meat growing up, pretty much only shabbat dinner. when i moved to israel & started eating meat every day, it just made me sick. & fat.
danced with Lazlo Back · 18 years ago
oh, but its SO COOL to be ABLE to eat meat in Israel! It's like... all those years you spent reading labels and being careful what you eat and where... and finally you can just RELAX!

I just found the whole experience to be very liberating... if fattening.
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
Amen, sistah!
emilie is CRANKY · 18 years ago
i figured i should really comment, what with being the one who submitted this poll and all. :D so. i'm a bad veggie - i have to eat chicken occasionally to keep up my protein levels or something (doctor's orders), though i make sure it's waitrose's free-range, which are the type that run about in fields all day and stuff. it's not ideal, but there you go.

oh, and the reason i went veggie is because eating meat simply repulses me. oh, and i hate seeing battery hens in those stupid little cages and fish suffocating and stuff. gross. :P of course i'd like to also think that maybe i'd get into heaven easier for sparing a few animals' lives, but as someone put it earlier, they've already been killed and put on the shelves, so there's nothing i can really do about that. gah.
Mistress Rabean · 18 years ago
I'm a lacto-ovo-vegetarian. I became vegetarian in tenth grade of high school (almost eight years ago). I was doing a report for my English class on animal rights. While doing research for the report, I gradually stopped eating meat. The last meat I ever ate was hamburger; I was at Neek's house and her parents made Hamburger Helper for dinner.

At first, I was rather vehemently vegetarian. My dad liked to tease me. Now I'm better; at least I like to think so. What I mean is, I don't glare at people who eat meat or tell them they're awful because they do. They have the right to choose to eat meat, just as I have the right to choose to not eat meat.

My husband, who's already posted here, doesn't eat a lot of meat. That's because I won't cook it. I've told him, if he wants meat, he can buy it and cook it himself (and wash the dishes). Usually, he'll eat meat if we go out to eat.

I've thought about becoming vegan. The difficult part for me would be giving up cheese (just as hamburger was the most difficult meat for me to give up), and I've heard that manufacturers have yet to make a delicious vegan cheese. :)
Mistress Rabean · 18 years ago
Oh, and I try to avoid things like leather and gelatin. (Did you know they put anchovies in Cheese Whiz? Or, at least, they used to.)
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Ew!
Yeah, I would too..... eating leather mixed with gelatin sounds NASTY.
Andrea Krause Back · 18 years ago
Yep...and they're in worcestershire sauce. I was so mad at my dad for telling me that because I love the sauce on my steak but the thought of fishies being in it wigs me out. So i pretend I never heard that. :)
meh · 18 years ago
OK, I'm entirely too fond of fruit and some starches to actually do it. But, it made a good subject implication. ;-)

I'm a big time meat eater. I've also got a few friends who are veggies. (I tend to joke with them about herbivores being prey species. Yes, that's probably a terrible thing to do.) Luckily, the only problem is that sometimes finding a resturaunt everyone can/will eat at gets tricky.

Now, given a choice, I'll go for the creature someone I know (perhaps even myself) brought in over the farm-raised specimin. And I'd go for something someone I know has raised (and that I therefore know was killed as "humanely" as possible) over meat of unseen origins.

I guess it has to do with the idea of having some sort of connection to your meal before it's gotten to your plate. If I tracked it down myself, for example, I know that I'm not going to forget where it came from. I'm going to have a proper respect that an animal has died, and from that death I have dinner.

I realize that just sounds cheesy in the modern world where one doesn't have to hunt to survive, and most meat-eaters never think about where their meals come from. But somewhere along the way, it became important to me to respect and recognize that relationship.

Now that I'm sure I've either over-or-under-explained this, I'll stop while I have some sort of hope that I've made my points.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Actually, I think that sums up my feeling on the matter to a large extent.
Thanks.
:)
I have a lot of respect for animals... and for life.
I am totally against killing for sport.

When I can, I eat venison that was hunted by a friend or family member.... but when I can't come by it, I'll eat store-bought stuff.

I just... like the idea of it better.
sheryls Back · 18 years ago
my uncle hunts deer and we get venison everything every year. man i love it. venison jerky, steaks, summer sausages, kielbasa...total yum.

unfortunately, he is hunting it for sport. but it's a tasty sport :D
renita Back · 18 years ago
hmm. he may be hunting for the sport of it.. but he isn't sport hunting--not if you're eating it...

the term sport hunting generally refers to the people who go out to hunt for the fun, fur, or trophy bits (heads and/or antlers) and leave the rest to rot.

if you want a trophy head, by all means take--but eat the animal too. that's what I think.
nate... Back · 18 years ago
Agreed completely, and that is what I was referring to.
Sorry I wasn't clear.
:)
Bel kjfdxcvuyjh8 · 18 years ago
I couldn't survive without my milk, meat, eggs etc. I really don't think about where it came from, or try not to anyway, but most of the beef i eat is grown by my dad so I know it's humane. However there's no way I could kill anything but a mosquito. I seriously have a hard time killing a shirt.
Rachel Beck · 18 years ago
No, I'm definitely beets. With a side of lightly sauteed Swiss chard.

Anyway, I've been a vegetarian since shortly after reading Frances Moore Lappe's _Diet for a Small Planet_ in 1994, mostly because it's cheaper and easier on the planet for people to eat lower on the food chain. But if I worked in the Peace Corps and somebody killed a goat and had me over for lunch, I think I'd feel compelled to eat it. (Though I am not sure if I currently have the enzymes that would allow me to digest goat. Baaa.)
Agent Scully · 18 years ago
Where's the Beef?!
Starfox Back · 18 years ago
Judging by our diverse age group, some on here might not have been born when that phrase was made famous. :)
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
Awww bummer!

and it was so appropriate too! :)
sheryls Back · 18 years ago
hey. *I* remember it. i even remeber what that old lady looked like. :D i think we had a mug with her on it going "WHERE'S THE BEEF?!" :D
emilie is CRANKY Back · 18 years ago
actually, i *was* going to put that, but didn't know what the in-joke was there, so i just put 'pass the beef' instead :D
dirty life & times Back · 18 years ago
sheryl honey, you don't realize it, but we're OLD already.

:)
sheryls Back · 18 years ago
F! thanks miriam. thanks for bringing me back to reality. i need more people like you in my life :D
Agent Scully Back · 18 years ago
we're OLD?!??????!?!?!?!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:o
J. Andrew World · 18 years ago
I believe we should eat animals, they compeate with us for our presious oxigen. if we eat plants then we are taking away our oxigen! However less animals=more oxigen. And with our depleated rair forrests, we need as much Oxigen we need. There for I eat meat!
no one Back · 18 years ago
Either the improbability engine was at work to generate the above utterance, or I am totally lacking the background information to see it as the joke it might have been intended to be. Would someone please help me with this ... whatever it is? *poke*
nate... Back · 18 years ago
I'm still trying to figure out if it was english...
no one Back · 18 years ago
I simply assumed that's about as english as the north american accents get. but as far as making sense of it is concerned, you may as well try to make sense of dubyah.
Josh Woodward Back · 18 years ago
Ah, but if we eat more animals, then we're taking away carbon dioxide, which in turn hurts the plants that give us oxygen. ;)
Starfox Back · 18 years ago
Slogan I once saw (tongue in cheek) was

"Don't plant a tree, kill a person."

Under the theory that a human consumes much more oxygen than a tree will produce over their respective life cycles.
Josh Woodward · 18 years ago
A little bit of topical news. Yum! Time to "pig" out and get a belly full of frankenfood!
Mamalissa! Back · 18 years ago
owwww! Fruvous content! Get it off! Get it off!
A girl named Becca Back · 18 years ago
It buuurnssss! It burns usssss!
George E. Nowik · 18 years ago
if we weren't meant to eat meat, then why did God:

a) make cows out of meat, and
b) make meat taste so good?

(:

-= george =-
Talcott Back · 18 years ago
It all goes back the the garden of eden.

Didn't you read about Adam and Eve eating the forbidden hamburger? ;)
Paul D. Beasi · 18 years ago
Salads are only for murderers, coleslaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream


:)
bored, bored, bored.... Back · 18 years ago
hehehehehe....hey Jaci! Someone quoted The Worms and it wasn't me! Woohoo! (and believe me, it took a lot out of me to NOT post any Worms content during this discussion g*)


Bruce Rose · 18 years ago
My wife's a vegetarian... which sort of makes me a vegetarian.

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